If you don't know the best use of your time and your money, where you're getting the biggest ROI, then you are missing out in so many different ways. In this second episode, we resume our discussion with Joe Sanok, the creator of Practice of the Practice, about ways to think about money and to grow that wealth in a way that can be beneficial to ourselves our time. Together they talk about opportunities for veteran practitioners, how to rethink the usage of our time and energy, and a message to practitioners about self-care and an encouragement to enter the public space more aggressively, actively guiding the conversation as a well-educated person that has the ethics behind it. Our message is bigger than what our clients hear. Our message is bigger than our own office.